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• Trump declared Tucker Carlson "not MAGA" and "not America First" in a Thursday ABC News interview, calling him "not smart enough to understand" the movement he once helped amplify
• Hours later, Carlson told Status newsletter's Oliver Darcy he gets "annoyed" with Trump "right now definitely included" — but insists "I'll always love him no matter what he says about me"
• Court filings from the 2023 Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit revealed Carlson privately texted colleagues "I hate him passionately" just two days before the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol attack

WASHINGTON, D.C. (TDR) — Few political relationships have produced a more documented gap between public performance and private sentiment than the one between Tucker Carlson and President Donald Trump. On Thursday, that gap widened publicly for the first time in years — and Carlson's response revealed a pattern that court documents first exposed in 2023.

The Thursday Exchange: Carlson Booted, Then Pledges Loyalty

In an interview with ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl, Trump formally expelled Carlson from the MAGA coalition over the former Fox News host's vocal opposition to U.S. military strikes on Iran.

"Tucker has lost his way. I knew that a long time ago, and he's not MAGA. MAGA is saving our country. MAGA is making our country great again. MAGA is America first, and Tucker is none of those things. And Tucker is really not smart enough to understand that." — Donald Trump

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Carlson had called the Iran operation "absolutely disgusting and evil" and predicted the strikes would "shuffle the deck in a profound way" within Trump's political movement. Hours after Trump's dismissal, Carlson responded to Status newsletter's Oliver Darcy with a declaration of permanent devotion.

"There are times I get annoyed with Trump, right now definitely included, but I'll always love him no matter what he says about me." — Tucker Carlson

The Paper Trail: What Carlson Said in Private

That statement of unconditional love sits awkwardly alongside the Dominion Voting Systems defamation lawsuit against Fox News, which in March 2023 made public hundreds of pages of internal communications from the network's top hosts. The filings documented Carlson's private assessment of Trump in stark terms.

On Jan. 4, 2021 — two days before the Capitol attack — Carlson texted an unidentified colleague: "We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait."

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"I hate him passionately. I blew up at Peter Navarro today in frustration. I actually like Peter. But I can't handle much more of this." — Tucker Carlson, private text, Jan. 4, 2021

Carlson also wrote in a separate message that the Trump presidency amounted to a collective exercise in denial: there was "not really an upside to Trump," he said, and everyone was simply pretending otherwise because "admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest."

When the texts became public, Carlson told WABC radio he was "enraged" the messages had been obtained through litigation. He then walked back his position entirely.

"I love Trump." — Tucker Carlson, WABC radio, March 2023

The Pattern: Performance, Exposure, Reset

The NBC News timeline of the Carlson-Trump relationship shows a recurring cycle: private frustration with Trump, public loyalty, exposure of the private frustration, then a public reset. After the Dominion revelations, Carlson endorsed Trump for president, sat beside him and JD Vance at the Republican National Convention, and reportedly lobbied successfully for Vance's selection as running mate, per the Associated Press.

Now, following Trump's Iran operation and Carlson's sustained criticism — including multiple visits to the White House to lobby against a strike — the dynamic has shifted again. This time, Trump drew the line publicly.

Trump also addressed Carlson alongside Megyn Kelly, another Iran critic: "MAGA is Trump — MAGA's not the other two."

Some in Trump's orbit viewed the Iran operation as a deliberate rebuke of the so-called "restrainer" faction. A Trump ally close to the administration told NBC News: "The Iran operation was both a shot at the Iranians, but it was also a shot at the restrainers of the administration and at Tucker and everyone else who said the president is never going to do this. These guys overplayed their hands."

Steve Bannon, who also occupies a prominent MAGA media perch, took a more measured view of Carlson's position and the broader MAGA fracture over Iran.

"Tucker has always worked at this a little more with a jaundiced eye. He came to this movement late. He waited and measured it. He respects President Trump; he supported President Trump." — Steve Bannon

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene sided with Carlson after Trump first dubbed him "kooky," writing that Carlson's isolationist position "is what millions of Americans voted for."

"That's not kooky. That's what millions of Americans voted for. It's what we believe is America First." — Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene

What the Record Shows

The contradiction tracker on Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump now spans five years and two distinct phases. In the first, Carlson privately despised Trump while publicly defending him to millions of viewers nightly on Fox News. In the second, Carlson publicly broke with Trump's foreign policy while declaring personal devotion in the same breath.

What remains consistent across both phases is the gap between the private record and the public statement — and Carlson's apparent confidence that the public statement is the one that matters.

When a media figure's private texts say "I hate him passionately" and his public statements say "I'll always love him no matter what," which version of the record should audiences use to evaluate the commentary — and does it matter?

Sources

This report was compiled using information from ABC News, Mediaite, and NBC News on the Trump-Carlson break, court filings from the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit as reported by NBC News, The Washington Post, Rolling Stone, CBS News, and PBS NewsHour, and commentary from The Hill.

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